Let grief be messy: NYTimes writer talks to Anderson Cooper about the life and death of her daughter

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Let grief be messy: NYTimes writer talks to Anderson Cooper about the life and death of her daughter

New York Times writer and editor Sarah Wildman’s daughter Orli was 10 when she was diagnosed with a rare liver cancer. Anderson reached out to her after reading her remarkable essays about Orli’s life and death. Their conversation is thought-provoking and deeply moving.

0:00 Sarah Wildman on her daughter Orli’s cancer diagnosis
3:31 Why Orli wanted to talk about death
7:16 Why doctors didn’t say Orli was going to die
8:53 “You’re not going to get to make the memories you hoped for”
11:38 Is there an alternative to relentless hope?
13:05 Why Sarah still texts Orli’s phone
14:07 What the day of Orli’s death was like
18:38 What grief has been like since Orli’s death
20:29 Why living with grief can feel like living half a life
24:10 Why death in the West is often treated as a failure
27:42 The ways Sarah still feels Orli’s presence
31:09 The message one of Orli’s friends shared
35:43 Why Sarah doesn’t want to let go of her grief

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Date: April 17, 2026