{"id":382855,"date":"2026-09-28T19:00:05","date_gmt":"2026-09-28T18:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsisc.com\/videos\/mariana-mazzucato-we-need-smarter-government-not-less-government\/"},"modified":"2026-09-28T19:00:05","modified_gmt":"2026-09-28T18:00:05","slug":"mariana-mazzucato-we-need-smarter-government-not-less-government","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsisc.com\/videos\/mariana-mazzucato-we-need-smarter-government-not-less-government\/","title":{"rendered":"Mariana Mazzucato: \u2018We need SMARTER government, not less government\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.ytimg.com\/vi\/QibolC-SbOY\/hqdefault.jpg\" alt=\"Mariana Mazzucato: \u2018We need SMARTER government, not less government\u2019\"><br \/> <iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QibolC-SbOY\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe> <\/p>\n<p>Can John Healey deliver the growth Britain desperately needs?<\/p>\n<p>[Subscribe to our Substack newsletter: https:\/\/channel4news.substack.com\/subscribe]<\/p>\n<p>At Labour\u2019s conference in Liverpool, the Chancellor promised a new age of industrialisation, more opportunities for young people and an era of political hope. But with the government under pressure to control spending, what does that mean for welfare, public investment and the economy?<br \/>\nIn this episode of The Fourcast, Krishnan Guru-Murthy speaks to economist Mariana Mazzucato and Times columnist Fraser Nelson. They debate how Britain can grow its economy, whether welfare reform can get more people into work, and whether the government should cut taxes and regulation or invest more heavily in public services and infrastructure.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>Get more news at our site &#8211; https:\/\/www.channel4.com\/news\/ <\/p>\n<p>Subscribe to our Substack newsletter: https:\/\/channel4news.substack.com\/subscribe<\/p>\n<p>Follow us:<br \/>\nTikTok &#8211; https:\/\/www.tiktok.com\/@c4news<br \/>\nInstagram &#8211; https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/channel4news\/<br \/>\nTwitter &#8211; https:\/\/twitter.com\/Channel4News<br \/>\nFacebook &#8211; https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/Channel4News\/<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Can John Healey deliver the growth Britain desperately needs? [Subscribe to our Substack newsletter: https:\/\/channel4news.substack.com\/subscribe] At Labour\u2019s conference in Liverpool, the Chancellor promised a new age of industrialisation, more opportunities for young people and an era of political hope. 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